ACC Player of the Year and Coach of the Year

[Rocky]

It's just dumb, he played awful tonight. It's a regular season award, he was hands down the best player in the regular season. You can find posts on here where I said PV was second in the LPD in football and CW was 1 due to their head to head win. I just use common sense, something that you and Cane simply can't do.

how are they not using common sense when all that they have said is that the other two players in question were also good choices for the award? It could have went all 3 ways. IMHO the deserving player won the award, and i would have been surprised if vasquez didnt win. SURPRISED, not SHOCKED. i dont see the argument here, ive read this thread at least 10 times and im not finding the argument, they both agree that your player should have won the award but that it was close. If im ina pass punt kick competition, and i throw the ball 62 yards, punt 59 yards, kick 45 yards and you throw 63 punt 61, and kick 47 thats not that big of a difference. the stats were close.

and in closing i want to say grats vasquez YOU DESERVED IT

[R0cketer]

Ding ding ding, we have a winner!

Thats the argument I tried to make, that when there is 2 or 3 players who are really close, personal favorites should not make one a slam dunk choice and the others horrible if it went the other way.

Its kind of logical that when someone is a fan of a team, and there are a couple of equal or nearly equal choices, they are going to be jaded enough to see theirs as the best most of the time.

[pvfan]

Keep thinking that Rock. I guess having over 70% of the people who follow this thing religously agreeing with me isn't enough? If it was close I would say you could pick either one, it wasn't. Maybe by next football season you'll finally come to realize that I don't hate Vanover, and I could see picking him over Hubbard, that was close. This is not.

[Biggin]

Ding ding ding, we have a winner!

Thats the argument I tried to make, that when there is 2 or 3 players who are really close, personal favorites should not make one a slam dunk choice and the others horrible if it went the other way.

Its kind of logical that when someone is a fan of a team, and there are a couple of equal or nearly equal choices, they are going to be jaded enough to see theirs as the best most of the time.

that doesnt ness. have to be true.

just because you know people that cant put their rose glasses away, doesnt mean every person is like that.

what you are saying is that people are always bias and if their favorite team is involved, their opinion should somehow mean less.

and thats simply not true.
i know many many people, including some forum members on here, that can discuss their favorite team in realistic terms, so why is it so out of the ordinary to believe that maybe, even if he plays on a favorite team, that he is the obvious slam dunk choice?

Winning 75% of the vote=A slam dunk choice

[Rocky]

winning 75% of the vote is a slam dunk win. doesnt necessarily mean he is the slam dunk choice though. : ) the stats were close spread out but he was better in ACC games. im a fan of the kid, love his passion, love his ability, but like i said i wouldnt have been totally shocked if any of the guys had won it and ive watched them all play many many times. im happy with the decision.